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Belief, Free Will, Agency & Goal-Setting

The Breakthrough Event

May 22, 2025Vancouver5 required readings
"Consciousness might be epiphenomenal—an illusion riding atop deterministic physics."
Participant J

Interactive Explorations

Experience the tension between determinism and agency through interactive thought experiments

The Causal Chain

Every event is caused by prior events. Can you find where the chain breaks?
Click "Start the Cascade" to watch causation unfold.

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Big Bang
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Stars Form
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Earth Forms
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Life Begins
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Your Ancestors
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Parents Meet
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Your Birth
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Childhood
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This Morning
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Right Now
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Laplace's Demon: "An intellect which at a certain moment would know all forces... and all positions of all things... nothing would be uncertain and the future, as the past, would be present to its eyes." If true, your "choices" were determined at the Big Bang.

The Free Will Spectrum

Where do you stand? Slide to explore the philosophical positions on free will.

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No Free WillFull Free Will
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Compatibilism

Determinism is true, but "free will" means acting according to your desires.

Free Will Status

Redefined. Free will = acting without external coercion.

Moral Responsibility

Preserved. Actions flow from your character (even if determined).

Key Proponents
Daniel DennettHarry FrankfurtDavid Hume

What it means: You are free when you do what you want, even if you couldn't want otherwise.

The MAC Insight: Maybe the question isn't "do we have free will?" but "what kind of agency do we have?" Even if determined, we are the kind of systems that model futures, weigh options, and act on reasons. That's a form of agency worth caring about—whether or not it's "libertarian" freedom.

The Libet Experiment

Your brain decides before "you" do. Watch the clock, press whenever you want, then report when you first felt the urge to press.

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Trial 1 of 3

Watch the dot spin around the clock. Press the button whenever you feel the urge. Then report where the dot was when you first decided to press.

Libet (1983): Found that brain activity (the "readiness potential") begins ~550ms before the action, but subjects report "deciding" only ~200ms before. The conscious "decision" comes after the brain has already started. What then is the role of consciousness? Perhaps a "veto power"—we can't initiate, but we can inhibit.

Agency Emergence

Watch how "agency" emerges from simple goal-seeking + responsiveness to obstacles.
Compare rigid execution vs adaptive behavior.

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The Dennett View: "Agency" isn't about breaking physical causation—it's about being the kind of system that models goals, responds to feedback, and adapts behavior. A thermostat has proto-agency. A human has rich agency. Neither violates physics. The rigid program follows rules blindly; the adaptive agent cares about outcomes and adjusts. That responsiveness IS agency—no spooky freedom required.

Central Question

"Do we have free will, or are we deterministic information processors?"

Outcome

No consensus on free will, but deeper question emerged: Maybe free will is the wrong question. Focus on agency, goals, and prediction error instead.

Key Debates

  • 1Sam Harris (hard determinism) vs Lee Cronin (free will exists) vs Dennett (compatibilism)
  • 2If free will is an illusion, is moral responsibility also an illusion?
  • 3Can AI have agency without consciousness?

Notable Quotes

"Consciousness might be epiphenomenal—an illusion riding atop deterministic physics."
Participant J
"If free will is an illusion, so is moral responsibility. Are we okay with that?"
Participant O
"Could agency arise from responsiveness and relational depth?"
Participant R
"I don't know but I'm the proud owner of some serious cognitive dissonance about it."
Participant E
"If AI doesn't suffer, can it have compassion?"
Participant M

Required Readings

Free Will (Wikipedia)
Various
We Really Don't Have Free Will (Podcast #360)
Sam Harris
Lee Cronin vs Sam Harris (Lex Fridman)
Lex Fridman
Determined: A Science of Life without Free Will
Robert Sapolsky
Freedom Evolves
Daniel Dennett

Stats

Attendance20/20
Duration2 hours
PriceFree
Readings5 items